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Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

Discussion in 'In The News Today' started by The Rogue Reporter, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    Wednesday, April 08, 2009

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    The hijacked vessel carrying 21 Americans is believed to be a Maersk cargo ship, similar to one seen in this photo.

    NAIROBI, Kenya — Somali pirates on Wednesday hijacked a U.S.-flagged cargo ship with 21 crew members aboard, a diplomat and a U.S. Navy spokesman said.

    The Kenya-based diplomat identified the vessel as the 17,000-ton Maersk Alabama and said all the crew members are American. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

    The U.S. Navy confirmed that a U.S. flagged ship with 21 members of crew was hijacked early Wednesday off the eastern coast of Somalia.

    Spokesman Lt. Nathan Christensen said the attacked happened in the early hours of the morning hours, about 280 miles northeast of Eyl, a town in the northern Puntland region of Somalia.

    Christensen said there were U.S. citizens aboard the ship, but he did not say how many. He declined to release the name of the ship until the family members of the crew are notified.

    He said the ship was operated by the Danish company Maersk, which deals with the U.S. Department of Defense. Christensen said the vessel was not working under a Pentagon contract when hijacked.

    Maersk Kenya Managing Director Rolf Nielsen said the company was still verifying reports of the hijacking. An U.S. embassy spokeswoman was not immediately able to confirm the incident.

    Andrew Mwangura of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program said the ship was taken about 400 miles from the Somali capital, Mogadishu.
    The vessel is the sixth to be seized within a week and the first with an all-American crew.

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  2. Ki Adi Mundi

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    So... earlier this week, they seized a British ship as well, if I'm not mistaken. Why don't we go DEMOLISH these phucks now, since they want to pretend to be Pirates?

    I saw we (the US and British navies) send a task force there, and DECIMATE the Somalis. If the attacks don't stop, we should carpet bomb their cities. If we can't stop their para-military actions, we can disrupt their support base by targeting their families.

    I know, I know... "oh, damn- there goes Ki and his American Cowboy bull crap again..." But seriously... you hit them where it hurts, and hard enough, they'll stop. I would do the same thing in Pakistan and other "trouble" spots. If the civilian population supports these terrorists, and not standing up to them IS supporting them in my book, then we level the cities. You hold our sailors hostage? We destroy your entire bloodline.

    But, of course... we won't do that. We're soft these days. No wonder these phucks think we're weak.
     
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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    That is a waste of time KI.

    Why not give then U.S navy boys something to do and send subs and destroyers instead?

    Carpet bombing won't do a thing. You hit one source and there will be another.

    Plus you might just end up having anti american sentiment some more.
    As if you don't have enough problems from keeping an eye on arab immigrants.
    Now you gonna add somali ones as well?
    Just remember they're black. People on your country are too quick to shout racism or discrimination as it is.

    That current mentality/strategy is just ass backwards. The one where you go for the head.

    Make it nasty and brutal for the pawns and no one will want to be one soon enough.
     
  4. Nemmerle

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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    Their fishing grounds have been ripped to shit by foriegn powers because they don't have much in the way of a government to protect them. This is one of the few ways many of them can draw a decent standard of life. Bombing them isn't going to make them stop; bombing a city just creates cover, and it's not like these people are in the cities anyway; the only thing that's going to make them stop is to exterminate them or offer them something better; because for them it doesn't get much worse.

    Of course if you mounted a few GPMGs on the ships and kept a decent watch most of these hijackers would be observing the surface of the sea from the wrong side. But we're Western nations god damn it! We don't have time for rational low-cost solutions.
     
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    a few well placed H-bombs will solve the problem. then we can stop feeding the bastards as well!!!--LOL
     
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    Great. on a danish ship even
     
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    I think its time for a Operation Tripoli.

    IIRC the UN has given permission for Spec Op teams to operate in foreign countries where pirates and terrorists are known to operate. This is an extension of the UN authorizing naval action on the pirates operating in the region.

    When I saw a Brit ship was taken I thought "Wonder how long before the SAS show up and start kicking ass?"

    The US Spec Ops and SAS work and train together quite a bit so I dont think a join ops would be all that difficult.
     
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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    We Brits know how to handle piracy. Leave it to us.
     
  9. Ki Adi Mundi

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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    Install Phalanx Missile Defense systems on all the boats. A literal wall of lead would stop these people in their tracks.

    And, Nem... I see your point, honestly. However, it's not our fault that their own people don't want to band together, and stop killing each other for one decade or so, and form a government that works. Because they have a crap country, it doesn't give them the right to take from others. Oh, I can see the reasoning just fine.

    But just because you lost your job, doesn't make it OK for you to go rob a liquor store. You can do it, but don't be mad if you get shot or arrested for doing it.
     
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    The Horn of Africa's instability isn't because they can't band together. If they could do that they would. However their government has failed from different reasons- they can't provide services and create a stable economy. As such different groups have risen up to challenge their power. These pirates have chosen this method as one that they think will get them money.

    Even a lot of wars in human history were started over getting resources from another country, be it raw or capital.

    Last time America intervened in Somalia over issues like these it backfired terribly, because it didn't really solve anything in the long run. We can bomb them down, destroy their ports, and enjoy a lack of piracy for awhile. However, the source of the problem is ignored, and it will ultimately respawn it. Corny, but it's just like trying to pick weeds.

    They did this with the Barbary Corsairs of North Africa, the UK once and the US another time. The barbary corsairs were gradually watered down in these wars but didn't disappear all together- there were still protection fees being paid. Barbary was only effectively destroyed when the French seized control of Algeria and then proceeded to kill the population for other reasons.

    Not really any more "honorable" than what the pirates themselves were doing, if not even more brutal.
     
  11. Sovereign002

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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    Bombing the country itself isn't going to help much. Pirates work in their own circles, anyway. They won't care a whole lot if you blow their country up, they have nothing to lose in the first place.
    A few centuries ago, merchant ships going to Africa, India and Indonesia used to have a small amount of cannons and arms to defend themselves against pirates. Plus, there were military vessels patrolling the merchant lines.
    That's what we need now, too. Pirates hijack a ship...Next time, put guards on all ships that enter areas where piracy is known to be active. These guys often come in tiny vessels to avoid dedection, so any big weaponry is useless. But a few guards with decent weaponry should be able to defend a boat against instruders.
     
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    Another option is have ships travel together in a convoy escorted by one or two destroyers or frigates and have the warships operate just outside of the convoy.

    When pirates attack the frigates could be on the scene quickly and their helicopters could be on seen even quicker. Arm the helicopters with a pair of .50cal's and a couple of Hellfire missiles and they can reduce the threat quickly.

    Actually Im all for driving the pirates off and shadow their ships back to base with some drones and then use drones with laser designators spot for drones with Hellfires.

    Attack at night and destroy all the boats and support equipment and any fuel supplies.

    I would be surprised if the US, UK, and France did not already have assets on the ground watching the Pirate bases and mapping and noting all movements. Once enough intel is gathered they will hit several basees and suppy stores at once.

    On another note I saw a show about the Piracy problem and there are now private security companies that are putting armed guards on boats and are putting privately owned armed ships in the waters to patrol for pirates.

    Reminds me of Privateers.
     
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    You can't ignore people's motivations because they determine how hard they're going to fight over things and coupled with their resources how they're going to fight; and thus what the rational military actions are for you to take in response. But morality doesn't enter into it beyond that.

    Just because you lost your liquor doesn't make it alright for you to shoot people or lock them up. It's not about right or wrong; never has been, never will be. There are people who want certain things, and the force with which they try to put those things into practice. If you were standing over there you'd give the other side of the argument - well if you wanted to justify it in moral terms - and it would be just as irrelevant.
     
  14. Ki Adi Mundi

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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    Fair enough.
     
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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    a nice sea-control ship. converted from a cargo tub. armed with a couple 40mm guns a 25mm AA-AS system, some of those very nice fiber optic guided 5inch "sidearm" type missiles. some mk-19 automatic grenade launchers, m240s and some of the old stand-buy m2s along with a couple platoons of MARINES. some helicopters for support. a couple AH1whiskys and a couple sea-hawks should do.

    better order 2 of um for cross deck operations!!

    if ya catch um out on the open water --send them to the sharks!
     
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    Just arm the crew. Why is this so complicated?
     
  17. Ki Adi Mundi

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    Because most of those people, nay.. most civilians in general shouldn't operate firearms, as they are complete morons. Trained professionals only.
     
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    LOL! i just wonder if the colonist that settled America back in the Day were as chicken-shit/PC morons like today IF the settlers could have even took the place from the tomahawk / bow and arrow armed natives??

    should we just surrender to the pirates? lets just give them our ships. us rich fat westerners should feel guilty for those poor pirates.

    we should take them in--hell well bunk them in YOUR neighborhood!! right next door!!!-- just make sure you got plenty of smokes!! our pirate buddies get a bet testy when they don't get their hourly fix!!! we will give them fine homes free food and drink and a monthly paycheck. of course no WORK will be required and these folks will have a higher standard of living than most honest working folks. all paid for by your tax money! i think great britan should take the lead in this because they just don't have enough "diversity"!!:bad:

    LOL!!!
     
  19. Ki Adi Mundi

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    People had better common sense back then, so it really can't apply. Today? People are plum dumb. They shouldn't be allowed to breed without an IQ test, let alone operate a firearm.

    Place small, highly trained security task forces on the boats.
     
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    Who can they shoot that bad when they're in the middle of an ocean? I mean sure they'd need some sort of training so they weren't just spraying all over the place but it's not a dreadfully cerebral activity. Just kinda boring to keep watch all the time.
     
  21. Ki Adi Mundi

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    Proximity sensors could help supplement the actual watching of the seas for each vessel.
     
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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    A Frenchmen died while they tried to rescue him and others from a hijacking today. They were on a small, private sailboat, making a world tour. One of the first incidents where smaller craft have been hijacked.

    I haven't found a link yet, saw it on the news just an hour ago.
     
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    if i was sailing a small private sailboat i would avoid that pirate infested waters!

    seems like they grabbed a tug-boat crew while the navy was being "kinder and more gentile" to those other pirates!!

    i think we need the EU to send them some MORE aid and money!!! that will solve the problem--just like it has for the YEARS this has been going on!!!

    i wonder why they haven't hi-jacked a north Korean freighter yet?
     
  24. Ki Adi Mundi

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    Re: Somali Pirates Seize 21 American Sailors

    I was wondering the same thing, actually. A bit funny, huh?
     
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